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Verfasst am 24/11/2009, 20:16 von NewMoonOnMonday
Duran Duran Hier gibt es die Neuveröffentlichung: So Red the Rose (Special Edition)

From www.duranduran.com

November 23rd, 2009


ARCADIA ‘SO RED THE ROSE’ 8 February, 2010 (Europe), 9 February, 2010 (North America)


CD ONE:

Original album released December 1985

1. Election Day (5.30)

2. Keep Me In The Dark (4.32)

3. Goodbye Is Forever (3.49)

4. The Flame (4.24)

5. Missing * (3.40)

6. Rose Arcana * ^ (0.51)

7. The Promise ^ (7.30)

8. El Diablo ^ (6.05)

9. Lady Ice * (7.32)


Produced Alex Sadkin + Arcadia

All tracks mixed by Alex Sadkin with:

Tracks 1, 8 mixed Ron Saint Germain + Francois Kevorkian
Track 6 mixed by Larry Alexander assisted by G Rindfuss + S Boyer + E Moller
Tracks 3, 4, 7, 9 mixed by Ron Saint Germain
Assisted on tracks 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9 by Ohil Burnett (digital technician)
Track 5 mixed by Larry Alexander, assisted by Billy Miranda
Track 2 mixed by Jay Mark + Francois Kevorkian. Assisted by Nick Delre
Rhythm augmentation on track 8 by Wendel Jr.

Mastered by Bob Ludwig, Masterdisk, New York

Recorded by Larry Alexander, assisted by Phillippe Laffont

Special thanks to Sting + Herbie Hancock for their performances on ‘The Promise’

Musicians: Carlos Alomar, Gabriel Bindi, Pierre Defay, Jean Claude Dubois, Mark Egan,
David Gilmour (appears courtesy of EMI Records), Steve Jordan, Rafael de Jesusm, Andy Mackay (a member of The Explorers appears courtesy of Virgin Records), David Van Tieghem, Masami Tsuchiya

Sting appears courtesy of A&M Records
Herbie Hancock appears courtesuy of Columbia Records

Sleeve by Malcolm + David at Assorted iMaGes
Illustrations by Tony Viramontes


Arcadia are:
Simon Le Bon
Nick Rhodes
Roger Taylor


Bonus tracks

10. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (7” edit) * (4.29)
From the US 7” single ‘Say The Word’ released July 1986

11. She Moody And Grey, She’s Mean And Restless (4.2Cool
From the 7” and 12” singles ‘Election Day’ released October 1985

12. Election Day (single version) (4.30)
From the 7” and 12” singles ‘Election Day’ released October 1985

13. Goodbye Is Forever (single mix) (4.16)
From the 7” and 12” single ‘Goodbye Is Forever’ released ex-UK January 1985

14. The Promise (7” mix) ^ (4.45)
From the 7” and 12” single ‘The Promise’ released January 1986

15. The Flame (7” remix) (4.05)
From the 7” single ‘The Flame’ released July 1986

16. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (soundtrack version) * (5.06)
From the ‘Playing For Keeps’ soundtrack released 1986


CD TWO:

1. Election Day (Consensus Mix) (8.39)
From the 12” single ‘Election Day’ released October 1985

2. Goodbye Is Forever (extended mix) (6.37)
From the 12” single ‘Goodbye Is Forever’ released ex-UK January 1985

3. The Promise (extended remix) ^ (5.35)
From the 12” single ‘The Promise’ released January 1986

4. Rose Arcana (extended) * ^ (5.37)
From the 7” and 12” single ‘The Promise’ released January 1986

5. The Flame (Extended Remix) (7.20)
From the 12” single ‘The Flame’ released July 1986
Remix produced by Nile Rodgers

6. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (extended vocal remix) * (6.30)
From the 12” promo ‘Say The Word’ released ex-UK July 1986

7. Election Day (Cryptic Cut) (9.06)
From the one-sided 12” promo released October 1985

8. The Promise (12” mix) ^ (7.02)
From the 12” single ‘The Promise’ released January 1986

9. Goodbye Is Forever (dub mix) (5.13)
From the 12” single ‘Goodbye Is Forever’ released ex-UK January 1985

10. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (extended instrumental remix) * (5.46)
From the 7” single and 12” promo ‘Say The Word’ released ex-UK July 1986

11. Election Day (Early Rough Mix) (8.41)
From the 12” single ‘The Flame’ released July 1986

12. Flame Game (Yo Homeboy mix) (2.05)
From the 7” and 12” single ‘The Flame’ released July 1986
Remix produced by Nile Rodgers

13. Election Day (Cryptic Cut No Voice Mix) (8.27)
From the 12” single ‘Election Day’ released October 1985
**EXTRA FOR DIGITAL ALBUM ONLY**

Written by Taylor / Rhodes / Le Bon except * Rhodes / Le Bon
Published by Gloucester Place Music Ltd. / EMI except ^ Tritec Music

Disc 1 and 2:
Digital remasters (P) 2010 The copyright in these sound recordings is owned by EMI Records Ltd.


DVD:

Original VHS released February 1987

1. Filming ‘Election Day’
Paris, France. September 1985.

2. Election Day (7.47)
Directed by Roger Christian
Produced by Chrissie Smith

3. Filming ‘The Promise’
Cote D’Azur, France. December 1985.

4. The Promise (4.46)
Directed by Marcelo Anciano
Produced by Ruth Orme and Martin Wyn Griffith

5. Filming ‘Goodbye Is Forever’
London, England. January 1986

6. Goodbye Is Forever (4.11)
Directed by Marcelo Anciano
Produced by Ruth Orme

7. Filming ‘The Flame’
London Docklands. April 1986.

8. The Flame (4.00)
Directed by Russell Mulcahy
Produced by Chrissie Smith

9. Filming ‘Missing’
London, England. December 1986.

10. Missing (3.40)
Directed by Dean Chamberlain

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10/5/2010, 19:45 by LadyXanax

Schön für dich! Ich warte noch etwas, habe zur Zeit andere Spesen, aber ich freue mich schon darauf! Smile

10/5/2010, 15:25 by gelöschter User

ENDLICH....jetzt habe ich es auch.
SRTR ist wirklich ein Hammer-Album.
Der Sound klingt richtig geil und auch die Qualität der DVD ist auch genial.
Hoffe nur das EMI weitermacht mit Notorious usw...

Arcadia...
20/4/2010, 18:31 by niterunner76

Also trotz Vorbestellung kam die Special Edition nicht pünktlich, das ist aber auch das einzige negative...!!!

Ich find die 2CDs/DVD voll in Ordnung... auch den Sound find ich völlig ok. Das Original-Album auf CD ließ da ja zu wünschen übrig.

Und endlich habe auch ich die Single-Versionen Laughing und kann die Videos schauen, da kannte ich nur "Election Day", aber auch nicht mehr so richtig, weil schon ewig nicht mehr gesehen...

Für das Preis/Leistung Verhältnis absolut empfehlenswert (zur Info: ich habe 17,99 Euro dafür bezahlt)

Besitze zwar das Album jetzt 3fach, einmal als Vinyl, als CD und Special Edition, aber egal angel

18/4/2010, 13:08 by LadyXanax

Vielen Dank für Posten der Rezensionen.

Ich selber kann leider noch nichts dazu sagen, da ich mir diese Special Edition noch nicht besorgt habe. Das werde ich mit der Zeit wohl noch nachholen...

Hallo, lebt ja noch jemand?
16/4/2010, 20:55 by realnimra

Ein bisschen wenig Resonanz auf die Arcadia-Neuveröffentlichung - gemessen an den Beiträgen, die eine gewisse Begeisterung für das Side-Project erkennen ließen.

Naja

kommt ja noch das erste Wochenende nach Neuerscheinung ...

Arcadia Remastered Special Edition 2010 - angekommen
13/4/2010, 14:40 by realnimra

Arcadia
So Red The Rose
special edition
2CD&DVD
2010 remaster
Veröffentlichung: 09.04.2010

Package-Eindruck:
Enttäuschend: Plastik-Jewelcase der antiquierten, doppelt dicken Sorte
Gut dabei: deutsche FSK0-Kennzeichnung klebt nicht auf der Pappschachtel

Artwork:
Cover: Akkuart wiedergegeben. Breite wurde geschickt durch Verschieben des Grafikelements unten links auf das leicht rechteckige Format des Doppel-Jewelcase angepasst. Leider unvermeidlicher Hinweis auf „Remastered Special Edition 2CD&DVD“ in roter Box oben links fest aufgedruckt. Arcadia-Code* in schwarzer Cover-Umrandung
Backcover: Akkuart dem erweiterten Umfang angepasst, Arcadia-Code* in der "Arcadia-Rose"
Innenseite Cover: Tony Viramontes-Portraits Simons, Nicks und Rogers, darunter Arcadia-Code*, roter Grund
Innenseite Backcover: 5 Cover von Arcadia 7“ bzw. 12“ Singles

Booklet: lediglich 8 Seiten, wie bei der ersten CD-Veröffentlichung keine Texte
Seite 1/Cover: Tony Viramontes-Portraits Simons, Nicks und Rogers, darunter Arcadia-Code*, roter Grund
Seiten 2, 4 und 8 zeigen nur jeweils ein Arcadia-Promophoto
Seite 3: Knappe Beschreibung des Projekts mit Kurzkommentar von Nick Rhodes
Seite 5: CD1-Inhalt
Das Original Album soll December 1985 erschienen sein – ich meine mich jedoch an Ende November 1985 erinnern zu können. Auch in der unauthorisierten Biographie von Steve Malins „Notorious“ wird November 1985 angegeben. Aber ich weiß auch noch, dass sich die Veröffentlichung des Albums immer wieder verzögert hatte.
Die Single „Goodbye Is Forever“ soll January 1985 in "ex-UK" (?) veröffentlicht worden sein – also noch vor Duran Duran’s „A View To A Kill“?
Seite 6: CD2-Inhalt
Seite 7: DVD-Inhalt und Reissue-Credits

„Extra“: Informationskarte, die versucht, auf deutsch und englisch (?) den Zweck (?!) der deutschen FSK-Kennzeichnung zu erklären.

CD1: schwarz mit weißer Schrift,"Arcadia-Rose" ohne Farbe, Arcadia-Code* sowie Katalognummer und obligatorische Copyrightvermerke; Spiellänge 75:40 min
CD2: rot mit weißer Schrift, "Arcadia-Rose" ohne Farbe, Arcadia-Code* sowie Katalognummer und obligatorische Copyrightvermerke, Spiellänge 79:42 min
DVD: weiße Schrift, "Arcadia-Rose" schwarz, Arcadia-Code* sowie Katalognummer und obligatorische Copyrightvermerke, Spiellänge ca. 56 min

CDs:
Ton-Qualität:
Ich kenne mich mit Remastering und der Kompression nicht aus. Die Tracks hören sich ordentlich an und die Frequenzausschläge (WAV-Format) von den Arcadia-Remasters sehen nicht so laut und komprimiert aus wie z. B. die von „Duran Duran’s Red Carpet Massacre“.

DVD:
Menüsteuerung:
Komplettes Abspielen und Trackselektion (11 Tracks: 5 Videos, 5 Making of’s, 1x Credits)
Bild-Qualität:
Ganz in Ordnung - wie man das von 80er-Jahre analogem Videomaterial erwarten darf.
Ton-Qualität:
PCM Stereo-Mix

* Arcadica-Code bekannt? Wenn nicht, kann ich Auskunft geben (wäre ja sonst ein Spoiler)

Rezension bei "amazon.co.uk" / Remastering / Compr
10/4/2010, 15:54 by realnimra

Hier gibt es die Neuveröffentlichung: So Red the Rose (Special Edition)


Hat jemand schon die Rezension über die Neuveröffentlichung von Arcadia auf "amazon.co.uk" gelesen.

Der Teilnehmer hat , was das Remastering angeht, keine besonders hoffnungsvolle Rezension abgegeben. Hier der komplett Text:

Best album Duran never made ruined by EMI!, 27 Mar 2010
By Mr. Steve Jansen (UK)

This review is from: So Red the Rose: Special Edition/+DVD (Audio CD)

Bonus material or otherwise, So Red The Rose is essential, and based on the material I originally intended giving four-stars in this review (no album deserves five), however, I can't in all honesty sanction this release given the butchering at the hands of EMI, and its remastering engineer. Duran Duran are no longer signed to EMI, so had no say on the quality of this release. Hence the poor audio quality.

EMI has seen fit to remaster this album, which should have been good news for those of us still spinning the original analogue-to-digital transfer CD pressing; however, the 2010 remastering jobs on Duran's debut album and Seven & The Ragged Tiger (released in the lead up to Arcadia being given the same treatment) have fallen foul of the recent trend for excessive loudness and compression, rendering the dynamic qualities of the original recording very poor. The irony being that what you get with this 'remastered' release is actually worse quality than the original CD pressing. Nuance and subtlety - the things producers and acts spend so long in the studio achieving - are pushed out in favour of music that sounds LOUD; which is what the volume control on stereos is for. Side-by-side comparisons of previous Duran CD re-releases have shown this new wave to be the worst sounding to-date. The loudness trend is a real shame for music lovers, and does the industry no favours; bands like Duran Duran even less. Therefore, if you only want the album, and you're not bothered about the extras - I would recommend you pick up the original CD pressing; it will be cheaper, and will sound better.

Undoubtedly the best album Duran Duran never released, So Red The Rose is a crown-less classic and still sounds as good today as it did on release almost 25 years ago. Bold, beautifully overblown, and no doubt hugely expensive, musically it's as solid as they come, packed with killer - The Promise, Goodbye Is Forever, The Flame, Election Day, Lady Ice - with absolutely no filler to speak of. In fact, I'd go as far to say it's probably one of the most cruelly underrated albums of that decade, and something of an overlooked gem (and in being so, a key example of how powerful the negative crusade marched on Duran was by UK music journalists; a movement that needlessly maintains to this day).

So Red The Rose is as perfect a pop album as you could have hoped for coming out of the mid-eighties, albeit one with loftier, more mature intentions, because for all of that decade's bad press, all cliched excess, lack of depth and technology run amok in the studio, the fact that this disc has hardly aged speaks well of its content. Powerfully uptempo, richly produced and striving; crammed with guests and as wonderfully, utterly pretentious as the day is long, an obvious comparison would be endgame Japan, circa Gentlemen Take Polaroids or Tin Drum, but with some of the most iconic names in session work mixed in, such as Bowie's unmistakable guitar foil, Carlos Alomar. Arcadia takes the immediate ingredients of pop and strives to take it somewhere else. It's pop inspired, but not pap.

Yet, for all the Duran connections - DD were officially the biggest band on the planet come '85, thanks in part to their mammoth success in the States - So Red The Rose was not a major hit, only reaching UK#30, and failing to launch any seriously successful singles beyond first release, Election Day. This was principally due to the fact that DD's members were now messing with the core brand of the band and twisting the public's grasp on what they were meant to stand for. Part of the mission statement for this album being that it was an altogether artier outing, with Le Bon and Rhodes' promo from the time maybe proving too left-field for mainstream audiences to embrace, with their talk of the band's name coming from a Latin inscription and much chiming of Jean Cocteau's influence on the Election Day video. Which is weird, though, because the album still sounds like Duran, only without Andy Taylor's guitar; granted, there's no John Taylor, either, but in his place comes Mark Egan (Pat Metheny Group), who provides storming fretless work on various tracks, including powerhouse second single, The Promise.

Coming off the back of the overworked and underwhelming Duran album, Seven & The Ragged Tiger, this is the album that Taylor-Taylor-Taylor-Rhodes-Le Bon should have followed Rio with. All of the ingredients are the same as Seven, yet somehow So Red The Rose works where the other album failed. Where Seven sounded thin and forced, this single Arcadia album has real power under its hood; surges on true emotion and pounds the speakers with its lush full mix that makes full use of a wide sonic spectrum, not least in the use of a kicking bottom-end. Rearing up as Election Day opens with its crackling European radio, this nine track collection doesn't let up until well after the final strains of Lady Ice have faded.

Achieving a smart balance between electronic and more conventional instrumentation, the album ducks and weaves through funk, ambient, straight up synth work, and lays on more than a heap-spoon of world music eclecticism via the presence of electric violins, ethnic wind pipes and clattering percussion. In many ways, it succeeds where many albums from the time failed. Whilst Peter Gabriel's So album of the same year was a massive global hit, listen to it now and it sounds dated, belying itself through a reliance on too much timely technology. Which is odd, given that Arcadia was powered for the best part by Duran's leading advocate of electronics - Nick Rhodes - and is still reliant on thundering sequencers and the prominence of keyboard sounds. But that's not to underplay the presence of Simon Le Bon, whose vocal melodies here are as consistently strong across the set as any album he'd made before or committed to release since. Set free to indulge his recurring fascination with femme fatales, their part in power, corruption and lies, and implications for erotica and brooding heartache, So Red The Rose marks the tipping point between old and new Duran; the album where the more poetic Le Bon of his youth matured into the concise songwriter he is today. Working with some gloriously melodramatic proclamations, he somehow manages to conjure far greater emotion than with previous Duran efforts; his expertly double-tracked vocals blending to really kick through.

Another clue to the more 'adult', serious air that Le Bon and Rhodes were striving for, perhaps as a reaction to the kicking Duran constantly received for supposedly being a teen band, shows through in the roll call of guest musicians that appear on the album. The line up is not only a who's who of respected musicians, but also gives clues to the kinds of influences Duran played with: Carlos Alomar (guitar, Bowie band member), Grace Jones (spoken word), Masami Tsuchiya (guitar, former session player for Japan), plus Andy Mackay (sax, Roxy Music). Add to that contributions from Dave Gilmour (guitar), Herbie Hancocks (keys) and Sting (backing vocals), and you can also begin to see how the album ended up worrying EMI's pockets.

In truth, though, the other real star of this album - aside from Roger Taylor, who was seemingly a part-time member - was its producer, the late Alex Sadkin, who does a major job of getting everything to work; for if you listen closely to this album, there's a lot going on. Very much a product of its time, So Red The Rose is a major production album, with, at times, virtually the kitchen sink threatening to chime in. And with tracks such as Keep Me In The Dark, El Diablo or The Promise - in fact at least half of the set - clocking in well over (often doubling) pop's golden three-minute rule the project, matters could have so easily tipped over into cliched excess. But Sadkin, Le Bon and Rhodes pulled it off, and the fact that nothing here sounds dated is a major feather to the collected cap.

Key tracks? Whilst Election Day is the one everybody knows, and The Flame is probably one of the Duran camp's best lessons in how to compose the perfect single, I'm generally torn between Goodbye Is Forever and The Promise. The former, for its tautness and precision in walking that line between heartache and elation, the one only smart pop on a good day can do; and the latter for its big, brooding punch of the button marked epic. To me, The Promise is arguably give the albums central piece, it has it all: diamond melody lines a-plenty from Le Bon, a subtle, yet compelling synth line from Rhodes galloped along by some tasteful but potent drum runs from R.Taylor, all topped off with a couple of choice A-List guest appearances. Pink Floyd's Dave Gilmour gets majorly laid back, conjuring some on-the-money haunting guitar lines, and Sting displays his craft expertly, somehow managing to punch a mere handful of backing-vocal lines through to give the song one of its major hooks. I challenge anyone to listen to this track back to back with the album cut of Rio, and tell me Duran don't know what they're doing.

Beyond the poor audio quality, as part of So Red The Rose's repackaging the album now comes with an extra disc of remixes and singles cuts including the much in-demand non-album track Say The Word and the original full-length version of Rose Arcana (which, in truth is something of a let down when you finally get to hear it, and proves why it didn't make the album in the first place). On a third (DVD) disc is the Arcadia video album, which has finally made it to a digital format. Essentially one long documentary, the hour-long film is made up of the videos for the four singles, plus one for Missing, all laced together with some entertaining behind the scenes, making-of footage. Having not seen it at the time of this review, I hope EMI did a better job of the analogue-to-digital video transfer than they did with the recently released Duran Hammersmith concert film from '82 - which was shockingly poor.

4/2/2010, 21:28 by NewMoonOnMonday

February 1st, 2010

Arcadia So Red The Rose – 2 CD + DVD
EMI Catalogue Cat No: 606 6812

Arcadia were formed by three members of Duran Duran, Simon Le Bon, Nick Rhodes and Roger Taylor. They released one album ‘So Red The Rose’, which went Platinum, and reached #30 in the UK & #23 in the US. The album featured four singles, ‘Goodbye Is Forever’, ‘The Promise’, ‘The Flame’, and UK/US Top 10 hit, ‘Election Day’.

Along with three Duran Duran members, there was also a wide range of famous guests on ‘So Red The Rose’ including; David Gilmour, Sting (backing vocals on ‘The Promise’), Herbie Hancock & Grace Jones (spoken word on ‘The Flame’ & ‘Election Day’).

The additional DVD was originally released on VHS in 1987. It follows the filming of five clips from the album ‘So Red The Rose’ & the fascinating combination of directors, locations, behind the scene footage & photographic montages which come together to give an insight into the world of video production. The collection of videos including Arcadia’s first single ‘Election Day’ are shown in full, including Dean Chamberlain’s rarely seen interpretation of the song ‘Missing’.

All Music Guide describe ‘So Red The Rose’ as “the best album Duran never made”.

Tracklisting
CD1 – Original album, remastered
1. Election Day (2010 Digital Remaster)
2. Keep Me In The Dark (2010 Digital Remaster)
3. Goodbye Is Forever (2010 Digital Remaster)
4. The Flame (2010 Digital Remaster)
5. Missing (2010 Digital Remaster)
6. Rose Arcana (2010 Digital Remaster)
7. The Promise (2010 Digital Remaster)
8. El Diablo (2010 Digital Remaster)
9. Lady Ice (2010 Digital Remaster)
10. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (7″ Edit) (2010 Digital Remaster)
11. Election Day (Single Version) (2010 Digital Remaster)
12. Goodbye Is Forever (Single Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
13. The Promise (7″ Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
14. The Flame (7″ Remix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
15. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (Soundtrack Version) (2010 Digital Remaster)
16. She’s Moody And Grey, She’s Mean And Restless (2010 Digital Remaster)

CD2 – Bonus disc with rare tracks
1. Election Day (Consensus Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
2. Goodbye Is Forever (12″ Extended Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
3. The Promise (Instrumental)
4. Rose Arcana (Extended ) (2010 Digital Remaster)
5. The Flame (Extended Remix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
6. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (Extended Vocal Remix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
7. Election Day (Cryptic Cut) (2010 Digital Remaster)
8. The Promise (12″ Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
9. Goodbye Is Forever (Dub Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
10. Say The Word (Theme from ‘Playing For Keeps’) (Extended Instrumental Remix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
11. Election Day (Early Rough Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)
12. Flame Game (Yo Homeboy Mix) (2010 Digital Remaster)

DVD – Original VHS, released 1987
1. Introduction (2010 Digital Remaster)
2. Filming ‘Election Day’ (2010 Digital Remaster)
3. Election Day (2010 Digital Remaster)
4. Filming ‘The Promise’ (2010 Digital Remaster)
5. The Promise (2010 Digital Remaster)
6. Filming ‘Goodbye Is Forever’ (2010 Digital Remaster)
7. Goodbye Is Forever (2010 Digital Remaster)
8. Filming ‘The Flame’ (2010 Digital Remaster)
9. The Flame (2010 Digital Remaster)
10. Filming ‘Missing’ (2010 Digital Remaster)
11. Missing (2010 Digital Remaster)
12. Credits (2010 Digital Remaster)

Press release courtesy EMI

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8/1/2010, 18:50 by LadyXanax

Danke fürs Ordnung machen, LaLuna! Smile

8/1/2010, 10:23 by LaLuna

Ich habe jetzt den Thread "Neue DVD" aus dem Arcadia-Unterforum mit diesem Thread hier zusammengeführt.
Es ging in beiden Threads um das gleiche Thema, zum Teil waren die einzelnen Postings identisch.
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